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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 3, 2011 13:59:10 GMT -5
we agreed on it two years ago. I have ZERO experience with it but I am willing to fail. If people didn't brush up on it too bad. Are you looking out for others or are you leery of it? Like I said I have no experience.
other than agreeing on some scoring what's the big deal?
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Post by Nerf Herders on Apr 3, 2011 14:42:55 GMT -5
No I'm not leary of it, I just don't see everyone getting involved.
I can take them or leave them. All I remember of my expirences with them was they are erratic.
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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 3, 2011 14:58:22 GMT -5
I learned a long time ago in this that many if not most people just want to be told when and where. It's my duty to give people a chance to input, I know they won't or don't care. They just want to sit back and say let me know when you figure it out.
And as far as I'm concerned, that's just fine, unless they complain after the fact and so far nobody has. That went for every other part of this league and any other league I've been a part of.
In fact one of the best compliments I got about this league, "This is by far my favorite league, I LOVE it." That owner never inputs anything. He just plays and does well.
I'm just gonna present something and we can tweak it as needed in future seasons.
I mean your right, people don't participate in creation, they just want to play. There isn't a darn thing wrong with that, again if they don't complain or criticize after the fact.
Sometimes I think it's mistake to ask the whole league for input, it just wastes time. But you kinda have to incase this is the time the bystanders care.
As far as erratic, if I'm not sure I get that point. Erratic for one erratic for all, just like any wr not in the top 12. or any TE.
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Post by Nerf Herders on Apr 3, 2011 15:13:47 GMT -5
Hey that's cool.
Erratic as in Say someone had Darell Revis. Reguardless of scoring, week 1 he'd get 9 points, week 2 he'd get say 7 points. And then he'd score nothing for 4 weeks. In my expirence with them even the best guys didn't average out like WR's or RB's do.
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Post by Nerf Herders on Apr 3, 2011 15:16:42 GMT -5
So here's another question. Come the Rookie Draft. Can I draft an IDP guy? If so, what does he cost? Should the cost values be adjusted or should they stay the same as they are now for the picks in the 1st round?
I go back to the scoring I submitted a few posts ago for IDP's but I'm open to negotiation.
Then again we find out this week if there is even gonna be a draft, right?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2011 16:06:55 GMT -5
I've done IDP in two leagues for the past two years...I was intimidated as shit to start off with then I realize everyone has the same handcuffs...yes IDP players are generally inconsistent, yes DL are generally going to score about half what others do...but as long as the starting requirements are simliar, everyone has the same problems. That's why the multi D/ST versus IDP doesn't work, it's an uneven playing field.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2011 16:12:36 GMT -5
I'd do the draft the same, as long as we know the scoring it's fine...we put the scoring in the 2011 site or even the 2010 site you can run the report to see how they would average out and stack against offensive players very easily. If we go low on the scoring will you be drafting a IDP in first round, probably not, but you might in 2/3 (we may want to add 2 rounds to the rook draft because of going to IDP)
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Post by Nerf Herders on Apr 3, 2011 16:15:09 GMT -5
yeah what fleshsabers said. That works for me.
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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 3, 2011 17:16:31 GMT -5
I really think we need to auction IDP this year and then expand rounds and draft them as people see fit in 2012.
I laid out my plan in the first post in this thread. About a $200 online auction. Not the marathon phoner we did. A snooze you lose type message board auction after all our or most of the major scheduled stuff is done.
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Post by Nerf Herders on Apr 3, 2011 21:21:47 GMT -5
I think an auction would be good. Though my ass aches still from that marathon we did. If you could give me as much time as possible notice so I can take some time off for it, that would be swell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2011 10:31:48 GMT -5
I am for an auction draft for IDP players.
I think this lineup will work with 1 flex amongst all IDP positions.
2-3 DE's+DT's 2-3 LB's 2-3 CB's+S's
I don't think we should keep team defenses. I'm for one or the other, but not both. Each team will get their money back for the defenses.
What size do you envision the rosters being?
The scoring is the biggest question. I play in a couple of redraft IDP leagues where the points are Sacks=4 Tackles=2 Assists=1 Sacks=2 Forced Fumbles =2 Ints = 4 TDs=6
The defense is just as important as the offense, but the difference is that league is PPR, so the offense gets a boost.
We could cut those scores in half, but then we would need to go to decimal scoring, which I'm all for. I don't understand why that is complicated when the computer is doing the math for you.
One thing I'm not sure about this league is whether anyone really wants IDP. I don't mind it. But I haven't gotten the sense that people really want it.
Honestly, if you're not familiar with IDP, I'm not sure a salary cap dynasty is the place to learn because you are making long term decisions. In fact, this league would be my first IDP dynasty, but again, I played in a couple of redraft IDP leagues last season to prepare myself. I just don't want owners to become frustrated because they didn't know what they were doing, but then again that may help them.
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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 9, 2011 15:21:49 GMT -5
why can't you have both idp and d/st?
I'd be happy NOT doing IDP I'm just trying to follow through with what we agreed on. Nobody said let's not do it. I asked early this year.
Decimal scoring...I just hate games ending 140.23 to 125.45 it makes me gag. It's ugly to my eyes. I don't have a legit reason.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2011 21:55:59 GMT -5
Because you have double-scoring for the same play. For example, if I had Clay Mathews gets a sack and I have the GB defense, it means I get points for one sack twice.
Let's say that I have Revis and he scores a TD. Does that mean the other team that has the Jets also gets the TD?
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Post by Nerf Herders on Apr 9, 2011 22:51:19 GMT -5
You know I didn't think of it till relish said it, but yeah that either having a DEF or IDP' makes sense, no that he made the points about double scoring.
"Because you have double-scoring for the same play. For example, if I had Clay Mathews gets a sack and I have the GB defense, it means I get points for one sack twice.
Let's say that I have Revis and he scores a TD. Does that mean the other team that has the Jets also gets the TD?"
I've played in IDP leagues, so I can go either with or with out. Like I have said earlier, I like the idea of either having a def or a IDP but not both. Even more so now that this double scoring thing has come up.
But I could/would support if we wanted to add IDP's in addition to DEF's. Now, as someone who has invested contract years and time into keeping DEF's I'd be pissed if you suddenly told me I'd have to drop my DEF's.
However the other point relish made was valid as well, if you've never done IDP's it can be pretty scary. My worry is that those of us that have done IDP's will really have an advantage on the guys that haven't done it, regardless of scoring.
Bottom line I like the idea of adding IDP's but it has to be fair for everyone. What if we did something like added 1 or 2 IDP positions and made them the tie breaker. That way everyone could experiment with them, but didn't have to have their whole season hinge on if they understood the IDP's like we all do, the rest of the positions we've all been playing with for eons. If they were the tie breaker then lets face it... how often do we have a tie in a year, like once.... then everyone gets a feel for them, but you don't blow your weekly games on a position you don't understand. Like The Ambushed Paddington.
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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 10, 2011 11:09:16 GMT -5
I like the idea of either having a def or a IDP but not both.
But I could/would support if we wanted to add IDP's in addition to DEF's.
Really you're worried you'll have an advantage? How magnanimous.
Josh Cribbs, Kevin Faulk, Percy Harvin, Devin Hester, of the top of my head guys who have been double pointing it for years. Double dipping points is not new.
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