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Post by AA on May 13, 2013 17:52:41 GMT -5
I'm wondering if we should implement some sort of break in the free agent bidding, like a week of bidding on IDP and then a week on offense. We could call it the Nerf Herder rule! ;D I figure if we break the free agent bidding period into two parts, it gives owners a better idea of how much to bid, keeps owners like Nate from bidding on everyone and then just having to cut them (keeping other owners from winning said players), and should make it easier for Steve to tabulate the bids. Just a thought...
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Post by ewoknroll on May 13, 2013 20:38:58 GMT -5
I was just thinking something different with a similar result -- we have public bidding for 12 players in this forum, or somewhere else, for one week (each person selects a player). This way, we can bid against each other for 12 players during one week and then go to town with blind bidding the next week. If you've blown your load with the first 12 players, you will know not to go so far with blind bidding.
I also think AA's plan is a worthy one for consideration.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 20:58:03 GMT -5
I think things are set up fine. You bid, you set conditions if need be, you know your cap, you manage that. I mean if a guy is gonna put $88 on Jacoby Jones can we really help him.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 21:17:36 GMT -5
The other way to go is to institute a hard cap year round.
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Post by The Phantom Menace on May 14, 2013 3:33:33 GMT -5
I'm in another league where all the bidding is open like we do with our Auction. This prevents what we see today. Where one team can over bid so far that it creates disadvantage for the other teams. All the bids are tracked and you can bid on more than one player. However if you over bid there a financial penalty. In that league we get $100 dollars of bidding each season and the penalty for over bidding is $10.00 so in this league I would say the penalty could be as much as $100. Either way we need to stop all the over bidding and over allocation of resources that we know we don't have but are using. It's really not far to the other teams.
Thanks, Menace.
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Post by RADL Commissioner on May 14, 2013 3:34:32 GMT -5
We can talk about it of course. However, a rule to prevent (and I mean no disrespect) dumb bidding is something I would rather not pursue.
Out of something like 30 bids there was one, yes 1, condition listed by SLNH. All that was needed was a notation that, "I only want X number of of each group"
I mean everyone did it do some extent. Not to pick on Nate, he isn't complaining, let's not feel we should legislate stupidity. (again, just a general term)
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Post by RADL Commissioner on May 14, 2013 3:41:24 GMT -5
Just because a guy who geeks out and just has to bid on everyone and be the first and last to do it doesn't mean the system needs fixing.
How about some common sense? Fiscal responsibility? An off switch?
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Post by The Phantom Menace on May 14, 2013 3:42:09 GMT -5
Here's the problem. It's more about fairness than legislation. If one guy bids with reckless abandon while the rest of us bid with reason how would the rest of us ever win a bid. right now I'm trying to figure out how to fix Nate crazy over bidding considering he bid on the same IDP players that I bid on. I guess I'm just asking if this is fix able. Then he put all these players on the block at his price level. he should have to drop all the over bids so that the rest of us can bid on them in a fair manner.
To be completely honest .... this system is broken because of one owner and I'm trying to figure out how we are going to fix it.
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Post by RADL Commissioner on May 14, 2013 4:25:16 GMT -5
He isn't keeping them. He has to cut or trade (haha) these overpaid players. Take the cap hit and they are back in the pool to be bid on.
Now I agree it's a waste of time and effort that a couple of my reasonable bids were blown away but this is the first time it's happened and I would imagine he won't do it again.
I'm going to step out of this discussion for a while and let everyone else speak their peace.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2013 4:43:03 GMT -5
I think he is going to pay the price and have to cut them. His team is going to feel the effects of this for a couple seasons as many of these guys are on multi year deals. The amounts he paid on a lot of these players I don't think he's going to control the market on because he overpaid for many of them IMO. My stance is going to be not to offer any bailout assistance from the Parjai Squad on any of the guys he won. Force him to cut the players and deal with the consequences of his decision. The rules are fine and the setup is fine I feel. The only change I feel we might wish to consider would be requiring league payment for the upcoming season before any free agency starts.
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Post by The Phantom Menace on May 14, 2013 10:54:37 GMT -5
I agree that he will have to cut players. Just need a time table on when that's going to be done. I think we may be in a bit of a holding pattern until Nerf figures out that he need to cut players to get back under the cap. One other point .... While cutting players will work he is about to put his team in financial distress for the next 4 or 5 years. We may be looking for another owner next season.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2013 22:53:31 GMT -5
I agree that he will have to cut players. Just need a time table on when that's going to be done. I think we may be in a bit of a holding pattern until Nerf figures out that he need to cut players to get back under the cap. One other point .... While cutting players will work he is about to put his team in financial distress for the next 4 or 5 years. We may be looking for another owner next season. The rules permit him to be over the cap. He has until July 16th before the league fines his team for exceeding the cap. I understand your point. It's hard to watch someone self destruct not knowing if he may take the league down with him.
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Post by Nerf Herders on May 15, 2013 0:58:40 GMT -5
First off, as I've said before, bidding against teams with $700-1100 dollars in cap space, I NEVER in a million years thought I'd win as many bids as I did. Who on earth would think that? Steve was the only team that didn't have money to "play with", but every other team had at least $400. However, I'm stuck with what I have and I will have to make some tough decisions, and hope for some good trades. OR I'm gonna take a huge cap hit when I have to drop some players. Also, as Pugs were nice enough to point out. Myself and EVERYONE OF US can be over the cap until July 16th. A lot can happen before then. As just today we had ILB Melvin Ingram tear his ACL, ILB Daryl Washington was running with the second-team defense (and we all know he's likely gone for the year, and Stevie Johnson isn't participating in I'm a tool OTAs after suffering a lower-back strain in last month's voluntary workouts. And it's only OTA's. A lot of shit can happen between now and July 16th. Did I plan on going this far over the cap? NO Way. But there are rules in place for this, and some teams are going to end up with some great deals from me. I think there are rules in place to stop me or anyone from "taking the league down with them". Heck I was even the one who suggested to Steve that the $1-$9 over cap = $2 real money fine per day. Before it was a written warning. Ooooh Scarry.... Sorry if you think I did this on purpose, I didn't. Also I don't think the league should have to make a rule, just for me or the next idiot who can't add. Again, with the amount of money other teams had to spend, seriously... ? I was even talking with Pete (Alderan) before the bids were in, saying I would be luck if I won 2 offensive player bids. Thank you Brock and Pugs for pointing out what rules are already in place. It will work itself out. Besides, as a former league champ don't I have some leeway for when I go off the deep end and start wearing plaid pants, and sandals with black socks, and bidding on players like Kirk Cousins and David Ausberry (he's a TE for the raiders if you've never heard of him).
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2013 9:24:07 GMT -5
Scruffy Nerf Herders has been one of the most active owners since day one, so I'm not worried that he will abandon his team. I think the fear is that by not having a hard cap, a team, not thinking clearly during one free agent period, can screw their team for years to come, and then they may stop being an active owner, and then eventually quit, leaving the league with a team that no one wants to take over. This reason is why I would support a hard cap; to protect owners from themselves.
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Post by Nerf Herders on May 15, 2013 13:26:39 GMT -5
Abandon my team? Ha! Only way I'm leaving this league is I die, Steve dies, or I get kicked out. This is a dynasty. I'm like the Redskins of a few years ago. Besides..... I've got a plan. Go that way very very fast. If something gets in my way, turn.
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