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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 26, 2015 2:14:45 GMT -5
Originally scheduled for the 18th to 21st. I'll have it done right away. Bids will be posted here.
3.8 April 26th: Top Bid Announcements
a. The bidding account will be accessed and top bids for Franchise and RFA's will be posted.
b. Again, only legitimate bids with necessary information will be considered.
c. You will receive notification of improper bids after the bidding window has closed.
d. The Commissioner may choose to seek clarification on confusing bids if time permits.
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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 26, 2015 23:16:08 GMT -5
League sources are telling us that WR Alshon Jeffery is close to signing an offer sheet for a new free agent contract. Jeffery was tagged as a tier 1 franchise player is currently making $49 per season. That franchise deal runs for 1 year. Officials say Jeffery expects to earn a substantial raise and a deal in the 4-6 year range.
Check here updates as we get them...
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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 26, 2015 23:30:17 GMT -5
The RADL announces the following offer sheets as being signed by the player:
Franchise Bids: Alshon Jeffery received three offers, $161/5, $232/4, and $254/4.
The winning bid: Ewok N' Roll $254/4. Ewok will give their original 5th round pick, the 5.08 if the Darth Maulers do not match the bid.
FYI: Under my proposed compensation scale Ewok would have owed exactly one of these two choices from their current actual picks:
2015 2.03 and 2015 6.03
OR
Ewok's 2016 2nd TBD and 2015 4.08
Just my opinion but that seems like just about perfect compensation for a guy like Jeffery. I'd love to see some people revisit this proposal and get a vote for 2016.
In other news, the Maulers continue to get hammered with bids on their young and coming players.
RFA Bids:
Travis Kelce: Received one RFA bid of $150/5. The Jedi Pugs offer no compensation for an unmatched bid. (By rule)
Marquess Wilson: Received one RFA bid of $40/5. Again the Pugs offer no compensation by rule for a RFA bid.
If the Maulers match, Wilson may remain on TS. The Pugs offer Wilson, by rule, a regular roster spot.
Esekial Ansah: (Yoda) Received one bid of $35/4 from the Pugs. Again no compensation is required.
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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 26, 2015 23:53:31 GMT -5
Comments are welcome here but please post decisions in one post in the step 5 thread. Including un bid upon RFA offers, see step 5 for rules.
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Post by Nerf Herders on Apr 27, 2015 1:19:25 GMT -5
I think the majority of owners who spoke up agreed that the rule needed to be changedd. However since only a select few ever speak up, and given the pugs absence, I'm not sure what more you wanted to make the change?
I certainly fully support the proposed change chart examples given with this year's bids (proposed by the commissioner). But your still only going to get 5 teams to give thier opinions. 6 if we count the commissioner. So what do you need from us exactly to pass a new chart or rule?
Radl.broboards history shows your only going to get the same # of off season active owners.
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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 27, 2015 2:30:11 GMT -5
I'm not really speaking to those who gave an opinion. I'm looking for others. I'd say everyone wants a change and if I called a vote I believe we'd get 10 votes. We did for all the votes last year.
I was trying to avoid calling a vote without more feedback. I was trying to avoid feeling like I was shoving a vote onto everyone in a Draconian fashion.
I honestly didn't realize you supported the idea until just now. I felt like the feedback I got was trying to go in a different direction and I was to lead the way.
Looking at it right now I should just call a vote as I want. I probably will but now the deadline has passed and the urgency has faded.
That might even be the reason I think I got snarky on this subject. I wanted to get opinions and a vote for this year and it didn't happen for any number of reasons.
Guys offered suggestions and I changed my idea and I think its better because of it. I wanted more, or at least to give fair time for people to help.
The current way, my idea too, sucks. But the newest idea was a year on and off thinking about it and I think its very good. The old way was a rush to have something on paper.
I guess what I want is people to say if they think the compensation scale I propose is pretty close to fair, logical, and reasonable.
FYI: Here are the real compensations each team would have owed if their bid was the highest. Ewok winning bid: $254/4 (2015 2.03 AND 2015 6.03) OR (2016 2nd TBD and 2015 4.08)
Pajai second best: $232/4 (2015 2.12 AND 2016 5th TBD) OR (2016 2nd TDB bidding owner takes risk he gives up a high second)
Alderaan third best: $161/5 (2015 3.03 AND 2015 5.06) OR (2016 3RD TBD AND 2015 5.06 or 2016 5th TBD could be higher than a 5.06)
If it's not right-on I thinks it's a great start and if an adjustment is needed we'd adjust in 2016.
On a side note, I love the idea of an owner bidding less to avoid too high a draft pick package being owed. On the other side an owner who doesn't want the player franchising them anyway and just hoping a big bid comes in with lots of picks. But if it doesn't they owe the player they don't want a bigger salary.
I mean, damn, that's some elite fantasy management shit going on right there!!! Stuff I doubt any other leagues even think of.
Last thing from this long winded son-of-a-bitch, this is probably the last thing we need to fix. Another idea here or there sure, but this last shitty thing to fix...I want it fixed.
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Post by AA on Apr 27, 2015 6:26:05 GMT -5
I'm still confused (not hard hard to do) about how draft compensation works currently, and potential changes in the future.
I read the rules as saying that a player (Jeffrey) who scored 11-20 is a 2nd round compensation according to the franchise draft pick compensation chart (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tQCx08dvmiF7occllJBRzIw/htmlview#gid=0) He is the 14th scorer at WR, so why is his compensation only a 5th? Is it overall scoring instead of positional scoring that determines draft pick compensation? If so I propose we change it to positional scoring rank in the future. I'm not saying this because I would have changed my bid (I wasn't going that high on price). I'm honestly just confused and trying to understand how the compensation works.
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Post by Nerf Herders on Apr 27, 2015 6:37:33 GMT -5
Well I'm not known for my clarity, grammer, or propper spelling so I can easily see how you didn't know till now that I supported your idea.
I was just giving feedback as suggested.
I think we all appreciate the idea of a new rule not being shoved down or throats and I am aware that P. Squad was not for the rule change (leave it to a bunch of clones to buck the system right?) But I believe the majority of us supported "A" change.
I think I can speak for about 9 owners and truthfully say we are an ever evolving league and that any rules that needed changing have been changed in an appropriate amount of time.
Truthfully, as I traded away all my picks I've kinda taken this off-season "off". It's been nice not to have to do research as soon as the super bowl ended. But I still come to the board here, because I know there will be active discussion and you know I can't keep my mouth shut. I think the nerfs emit some sort of gas that makes me so outspoken. Especially now that mating season is upon us.
I'm would like this new draft compensation to take effect NOW for these picks. I didn't even bid, but it just makes more sense. And to be honest...I was never really sure how draft compensation worked anyway. I'd ask you, or AA, and other owners would ask me, but to be honest I just went with what you said, it was all very confusing.
Well off to the herding fields. Toot-a-loo
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Post by Nerf Herders on Apr 27, 2015 6:39:57 GMT -5
"I'm not really speaking to those who gave an opinion. I'm looking for others. I'd say everyone wants a change..."
Yeah, don't think those other owners even know things are going on.
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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 27, 2015 23:12:32 GMT -5
I have to keep trying.
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Apr 28, 2015 8:25:16 GMT -5
Look like I missed a step this Year.
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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 29, 2015 1:07:50 GMT -5
I'm still confused (not hard hard to do) about how draft compensation works currently, and potential changes in the future. I read the rules as saying that a player (Jeffrey) who scored 11-20 is a 2nd round compensation according to the franchise draft pick compensation chart (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tQCx08dvmiF7occllJBRzIw/htmlview#gid=0) He is the 14th scorer at WR, so why is his compensation only a 5th? Is it overall scoring instead of positional scoring that determines draft pick compensation? If so I propose we change it to positional scoring rank in the future. I'm not saying this because I would have changed my bid (I wasn't going that high on price). I'm honestly just confused and trying to understand how the compensation works. Sorry I missed this post Pete. Yes it is OVERALL scoring.
That was my first idea over a year ago, scoring by position. I saw two problems with that. Number one, it doesn't address the issue of a player missing games due to injury or suspension. Two, we would need 9 different charts for each position. Each broken up differently and I thought it would get complicated.
Also it doesn't address the MASSIVE difference in value of the 12th pick in round 1 verses a top 4 pick.
For example:
QB scoring chart might look something like this:
1-4 QB 1st round pick 5-9 QB 2nd 10-14 QB 3rd 15-19 QB 4th 20+ 5th (whatever right?)
Ben Roethlisberger was the 4th highest scoring QB last year with 257 points. Let's say he missed three games. Based on his per game scoring average he'd fall from 4th to 14th. (I made this example before I looked at the real numbers)
The next year if Ben is up for franchise bid he's still Big Ben and still worth $200 or there about. But if we look at scoring he goes from a 1st round pick to a 3rd round pick. In my arbitrary example but I think it's a reasonable example though.
The RB chart would be much different with only 32 QB's and 40-60 RBs with value.
WR would be even bigger of course.
Kicker chart is the same as QB, no more than 32 or so but certainly we aren't valuing the top kicker with a 1st round pick. So you say all kickers are 6th rounder compensation. Ok, but isn't Gostkowski worth a little more verses Kai Forbath? So you say 1-15 kickers 5th rounder 16+ 6th rounders.
DT, DE, LB and DB all separate charts all separate pick values.
Another thought, you would have to make sure, using positional scoring, that a $70 LB isn't valued at a 4th round pick and therefore equal to a run of the mill kicker like Phil Dawson. Lavonte David and Joe the kicker should not approach a couple draft slots of one another.
Team A bids on David, worth a 4th, they have the 4.10 pick.
Team B bids on Dawson, worth a 5th, they have the 5.04 pick.
A. What I think using a bid $$$ amount does is accounts for games missed for any reason, injury, suspension, or they simply weren't the starter yet. (CJ Anderson) He might be the hottest RB worth $300 but at 11th in RB scoring he'd only be worth a second? What second? The 9th, 10th,?
B. It protects franchised player's current owners from crazy high bids, because that ups the compensation required.
C. It differentiates between high and low picks in the same round. (This to me is critical)
D. It addresses the fact of not having a pick. (Some have opinions on that. No pick no bid, yes. Can I offer a higher pick?)
E It evens out values across positions. A player offered $85 should theoretically be worth the same pick(s) no matter the position.
Even if you don't agree or follow all the examples I'd think A and C are more than enough to warrant this system.
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Post by RADL Commissioner on Apr 29, 2015 1:42:42 GMT -5
Another thought, Frank Gore is 16th ranked in RB scoring. Worth maybe a 2nd or even 3rd round compensation? If we went with scoring by position.
He's now with the Colts. In the open market he might MIGHT garner a bid of around $300. He made $289 last year. He could be a stud he could be really valued in bidding.
Why lock that into a 2nd round pick, potentially low at that. Compensate based on salary offered not a changed situation.
Almost every player's situation changes each year for better or worse. The only thing that can account for every single change now or in the future, for good or for bad, is what an owner thinks that guy is worth right now, today, the second he presses send on a bid.
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Post by Nerf Herders on Apr 29, 2015 4:19:26 GMT -5
I think it's fair to say the current system does not "work" and that Steve's new ideas are a step in the right direction. Will it address our players and draft values perfectly? We'd have to try it to find out. However we have been an evolving league since the get go and this is a change that needed to be made.
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